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Wednesday, 4 March 2015

Evolution Bomb

The "Evolution Bomb" is a compiled list of links to help education about evolution, provide evidence for evolution and help refute creationist claims. Originally it was just a list of links leading to talkorigins.org but has since been greatly expanded upon and organized. This post will be kept updated with the latest version of this list.
This was mirrored with permission from the original here; http://mindofmage.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/evolution-bomb.html

----Table of Context----
EB1: The Basics
EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples
- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)
- EB3a: Mutation & Information
- EB3b: Chance & Probability
- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
- EB3d: Animals
- EB3e: Hominids
- EB3f: Dinosaurs
- EB3g: Paluxy
EB4: Creationist Credibility
EB5: Further Information
- EB5a: Debates
- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
- EB5c: Responses
- EB5d: Reviews
EB6: Videos
- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
- EB6c: By C0nc0rdance (Rebutting Brad Harrub)
- EB6d: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
- EB6e: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
- EB6f: By Stated Clearly (What is Evolution?, What is Natural Selection?, Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?, Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?, What is the Evidence for Evolution?)
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EB1: The Basics
Evolution 101
Evolution FAQ
MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview
A Brief History of Life
Evolution: Fact and Theory
Natural Selection: How Evolution Works
Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution
Evolution at different scales
THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES

EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples
Evidence for Evolution
Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics
Examples of Evolution
29+ Cases for Macroevolution
Observed Instances of Speciation
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home
Rapid large-scale evolutionary divergence in morphology and performance associated with exploitation of a different dietary resource
Evolution in Action: Lizard Moving From Eggs to Live David Birth
Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug
Lethal parasite evolved from pond scum
Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation
Toward a Phylogenetic Classification of Primates Based on DNA Evidence Complemented by Fossil Evidence

EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
Evolution and the Fossil Record
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions
Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record
All About Archaeopteryx
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence
Fossil | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program | 3D Collection
Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution
Fossil Hominids: Lucy
Peking Man and Homo erectus
Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion
An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking
Dinosaur Footprints in Coal

EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)
Index to Creationist Claims
Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution
Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?
Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods
Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics
Entropy, Disorder and Life
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability
Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered

EB3a: Mutation & Information
Are Mutations Harmful?
The Evolution of Improved Fitness
Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information

EB3b: Chance & Probability
Examples of Random Probability
A Series Unlikely Events
Non-Random Probability
Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation
Digit Numbering and Limb Development





 
EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution = atheism" (Video)
The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God" (Video)
The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation = absolute truth (Video)
The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief = knowledge (Video)
The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution = the religion of atheism" (Video)
The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything." (Video)
The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random." (Video)
The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information." (Video)
The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found." (Video)
The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary ‘tree of life’ is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology." (Video)
The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed." (Video)
The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science" (Video)
The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!" (Video)
The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1 (Video)
The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II (Video)
The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1 (Video)
The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II (Video)

EB3d: Animals
Bombardier Beetles and the Argument of Design
The Bombardier Beetle Myth Exploded
Creationism and the Platypus
The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue
Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax

EB3e: Hominids
Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote
Creationist Arguments: Java Man
Creationist Arguments: Peking Man
Creationist Arguments: Neandertals
Creationists and Pithecanthropines
Lucy's Knee Joint
Images of Neandertals

EB3f: Dinosaurs
Dino Blood Redux
Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths
On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery
Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters
Sea-Monster or Shark?

EB3g: Paluxy
Dinosaur Valley State Park
Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?
The 'Burdick Print'
Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy
On the Heels of Dinosaurs
A Tale of Two Teeth
The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'
The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy

EB4: Creationist Credibility
Creationist Whoppers
How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims
A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials
Suspicious Creationist Credentials
A Creationist Exposed: Gish
The Creation Research Society's Creed
IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications

EB5: Further Information
A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository
The Tree of Life Web Project
Tree evolution
Explaining the Cambrian "Explosion" of Animals
BASIC POPULATION GENETICS
Jury-Rigged Design
Scientific Creationism and Error
Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA
A Visit to the IRC Museum

EB5a: Debates
An Account of a Debate with a Creationist
Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard

EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference
Kansas Evolution Hearings
Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution

EB5c: Responses
A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'
Response to Casey Luskin
A Response to Wayne Jackson

EB5d: Reviews
Review: Bones of Contention
A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151
A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'
Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis
Review: The Image of God

EB6: Videos
6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy
7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy
Ring species -- the abridged version
Lectures on Evolution
Richard Dawkins tackles the Bombardier Beetle
Coelacanth: The Strawman Creationist Argument
How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists
The truth about the Discovery Institute
Quest for Truth: Transitional Species
Beating Astronomical Odds
Dinosaur blood and polystrate trees debunked
Evolutionary Predictions
AP Biology 1.D: Abiogenesis

EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism
Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)
Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)
Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)
How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)
How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)
How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA
How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations
How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection
How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution
How Evolution Works 7: Speciation

EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
Evidence for Evolution, Part I
Evidence for Evolution, Part II
Evidence for Evolution, Part III
Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker
The Evolution of the Flagellum
Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I
How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II
The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak
What Every Creationist Must DENY

EB6c: By C0nc0rdance (Rebutting Brad Harrub)
Rebutting Harrub: Evolution is just a Theory
Rebutting Harrub: Argument from Historical Scientists
Rebutting Harrub: Finches never produce rhinos or ferns
Rebutting Brad Harrub: Kettlewell's Peppered Moths
Rebutting Brad Harrub: Darwin was a racist
Rebutting Brad Harrub: Haeckel's Embryo Fraud
Rebutting Brad Harrub: Mutations produce nothing new

EB6d: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)
Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 4 - Science, Application and Education)

EB6e: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
Does The Evidence Support Evolution?
Vitamin C And Common Ancestry
Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?
Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?
Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?
Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent
Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design
Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction
Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?
Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?
Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life
Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins
Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes
Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?
Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?

EB6f: By Stated Clearly (What is Evolution?, What is Natural Selection?, Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?, Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?, What is the Evidence for Evolution?)
What is Evolution?
What is Natural Selection?
Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?
Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?
What is the Evidence for Evolution?

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----Table of Context----
EB1: The Basics
EB2: Evidence & Observed Examples
- EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
EB3: The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)
- EB3a: Mutation & Information
- EB3b: Chance & Probability
- EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
- EB3d: Animals
- EB3e: Hominids
- EB3f: Dinosaurs
- EB3g: Paluxy
EB4: Creationist Credibility
EB5: Further Information
- EB5a: Debates
- EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
- EB5c: Responses
- EB5d: Reviews
EB6: Videos
- EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
- EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
- EB6c: By C0nc0rdance (Rebutting Brad Harrub)
- EB6d: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
- EB6e: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
- EB6f: By Stated Clearly (What is Evolution?, What is Natural Selection?, Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?, Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?, What is the Evidence for Evolution?)
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EB1: [b]The Basics[/b]
[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_02]Evolution 101[/url]
[url=http://anthro.palomar.edu/synthetic/synth_1.htm]MODERN THEORIES OF EVOLUTION: Overview[/url]
[url=http://www.dorak.info/evolution/life.html]A Brief History of Life[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/lenski.html]Evolution: Fact and Theory[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/futuyma.html]Natural Selection: How Evolution Works[/url]
[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_14]Mechanisms: the processes of Evolution[/url]
[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evoscales_01]Evolution at different scales[/url]
[url=http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F401&pageseq=1]THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES[/url]

EB2: [b]Evidence & Observed Examples[/b]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html]Evidence for Evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/molgen/]Plaigiarised Errors and Molecular Genetics[/url]
[url=http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/search/topics.php?topic_id=20]Examples of Evolution.[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/]29+ Cases for Macroevolution[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html]Observed Instances of Speciation[/url]
[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm]Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home[/url]
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2290806/]Rapid large-scale evolutionary divergence in morphology and performance associated with exploitation of a different dietary resource[/url]
[url=http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm]Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug[/url]
[url=http://news.ubc.ca/2014/05/08/lethal-parasite-evolved-from-pond-scum/]Lethal parasite evolved from pond scum[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/irwin.html]Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation[/url]
[url=http://jacques.janin.free.fr/forum/Goodman et al 1999 Pol Phyl Evol.pdf]Toward a Phylogenetic Classification of Primates Based on DNA Evidence Complemented by Fossil Evidence[/url]
EB2a: Fossils/Transitional Forms
[url=http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/index.html]Evolution and the Fossil Record[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional.html]Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton2.html]Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/challenge.html]Arachaeopteryx: Answering the Challenge of the Fossil Record[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html]All About Archaeopteryx[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/]The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence[/url]
[url=http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/3d-collection/fossil]Fossil | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program | 3D Collection[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/]Fossil Hominids: The Evidence for Evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/lucy.html]Fossil Hominids: Lucy[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/sinanth.html]Peking Man and Homo erectus[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/evidence_and_the_cambrian_explosion.html]Evidence and the Cambrian Explosion[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/ovrdino.html]An Overview of Dinosaur Tracking[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/coalprints.html]Dinosaur Footprints in Coal[/url]

EB3: [b]The Arguments (Fact & Fiction)[/b]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html]Index to Creationist Claims[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html]Five Major Misconceptions About Evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/review.html]Darwin's Black Box: Irredicule Complexity or Irrepoducible Irreducibility?[/url]
[url=http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html]Accuracy of Fossils and Dating Methods[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/creationism.html]Attributing False Attributes to Thermodynamics[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/entropy.html]Entropy, Disorder and Life[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo/probability.html]The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution and Probability[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ted-qfa-reply.html]Ted Holden's Frequent Questions Answered[/url]
EB3a: Mutation & Information
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mutations.html]Are Mutations Harmful?[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/fitness/]The Evolution of Improved Fitness[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/information/spetner.html]Information Theory and Creationism: Spetner and Biological Information[/url]
EB3b: Chance & Probability
[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page02.xhtml]Examples of Random Probability[/url]
[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page03.xhtml]A Series Unlikely Events[/url]
[url=http://www.creationtheory.org/Probability/Page04.xhtml]Non-Random Probability[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html]Genetic Algorithims and Evolutionary Computation[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/bird_and_frog_development.html]Digit Numbering and Limb Development[/url]
EB3c: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/1stFFoC.html]The 1st Falsehood of creationism: "evolution = atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/2ndFFoC.html]The 2nd foundational falsehood of creationism: scriptures are the "Word of God"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/3rdFFoC.html]The 3rd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: human interpretation = absolute truth[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/4thFFoC.html]The 4th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism: belief = knowledge[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/5thFFoC.html]The 5th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution-ism" (part I) "Evolution = the religion of atheism"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmbnxtnMB4]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/6thFFoC.html]The 6th falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution-ism" (Part II) "Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe, and everything."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/7thFFoC.html]The 7th foundational falsehood of Creationism: "Evolution is random."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q2Db17v5U]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/8thFFoC.html]The 8th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Mutations are rare, harmful decreases in genetic information."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/9thFFoC.html]The 9th falsehood of Creationism: "No transitional species have ever been found."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/10thFFoC.html]The 10th falsehood of creationism: "The evolutionary ‘tree of life’ is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in any aspect of biology."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/11thFFoC.html]The 11th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Macroevolution has never been observed."[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/12thFFoC.html]The 12th falsehood of Creationism: "Creation science"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY7HrJOhc]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/13thFFoC.html]The 13th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution is a fraud!"[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfifz3C0mI]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoC.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsnVMjG4lk]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/14thFFoCPt2.html]The 14th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Creation is evident" Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHbRGiQccM]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt1.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part 1[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wv6kgjOEL0]Video[/url])
[url=http://darwinwasright.homestead.com/15thFFoCPt2.html]The 15th foundational falsehood of creationism: "Evolution has never been proved. It’s still just a theory, not a fact." Part II[/url] ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmLDKQp_Qc]Video[/url])
EB3d: Animals
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html]Bombardier Beetles and the Argument of Design[/url]
[url=http://ncse.com/cej/2/1/bombardier-beetle-myth-exploded]The Bombardier Beetle Myth Exploded[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/platypus.html]Creationism and the Platypus[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html]The Evolution of the Woodpecker's Tongue[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/eohippus_hyrax.html]Horse Evolution: Hyrocatherium and Hyrax[/url]
EB3e: Hominids
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/monkeyquote.html]Creationist Arguments: The Monkey Quote[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_java.html]Creationist Arguments: Java Man[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_peking.html]Creationist Arguments: Peking Man[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_neands.html]Creationist Arguments: Neandertals[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/brace.html]Creationists and Pithecanthropines[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/knee-joint.html]Lucy's Knee Joint[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/savage.html]Images of Neandertals[/url]
EB3f: Dinosaurs
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html]Dino Blood Redux[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/osteocalcin.html]Ancient Molecules and Modern Myths[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/forgery.html]On Archaeopteryx, Astronomers and Forgery[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/sauropods.html]Sauropods, Elephants, Weightlifters[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/plesios.html]Sea-Monster or Shark?[/url]
EB3g: Paluxy
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/dvsp.html]Dinosaur Valley State Park[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/arizon.html]Do Human Tracks Occur in the Kayenta of Arizona?[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/wilker5.html]The 'Burdick Print'[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/georef.html]Geologic References in the Paluxy Controversy[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/onheel.html]On the Heels of Dinosaurs[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tooth.html]A Tale of Two Teeth[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/tsite.html]The Taylor Site 'Man Tracks'[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html]The Texas Dinosaur/'Man Track' Controversy[/url]

EB4: [b]Creationist Credibility[/b]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-whoppers.html]Creationist Whoppers[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html]How Good are those Young Earth Arguments: A Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other Claims[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html]A Matter of Degree: Carl Baugh's Alleged Credentials[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html]Suspicious Creationist Credentials[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/gish-exposed.html]A Creationist Exposed: Gish[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/crs-creed.html]The Creation Research Society's Creed[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-catalog.html]IRC Graduate School Catalogue and List of Publications[/url]

EB5: [b]Further Information[/b]
[url=http://www.bork.embl.de/tree_of_life/]A Phylogeny of Complete Genomes: Data Repository[/url]
[url=http://tolweb.org/tree/phylogeny.html]The Tree of Life Web Project[/url]
[url=http://www.rfs.org.uk/learning/tree-evolution]Tree evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.unm.edu/~PIBBS/CourseMaterials/SiBBs2008/Week11/Marshall2006.pdf]Explaining the Cambrian "Explosion" of Animals[/url]
[url=http://www.dorak.info/genetics/popgen.html]BASIC POPULATION GENETICS[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jury-rigged.html]Jury-Rigged Design[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cre-error.html]Scientific Creationism and Error[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/mungonhm.html]Scientists Challenge Claim for 60,000 year old Mungo DNA[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icr-visit/linke.html]A Visit to the IRC Museum[/url]
EB5a: Debates
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debate-rob-day.html]An Account of a Debate with a Creationist[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/edwards-v-aguillard/amicus1.html]Debate: Edwards vs. Aguillard[/url]
EB5b: Transcripts & Publications
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/creation-conference.html]An Account of the 1993 Creation Conference[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/kansas/kangaroo.html]Kansas Evolution Hearings[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html]Publish or Perish: Some Published Works on Biochemical Evolution[/url]
EB5c: Responses
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/camp.html]A Response to Ashby Camps 'Critique'[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/luskin.html]Response to Casey Luskin[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/wjackson.html]A Response to Wayne Jackson[/url]
EB5d: Reviews
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_lubenow.html]Review: Bones of Contention[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/sor-ipub.html]A Review of IRC's Impact Article 151[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/nbc.html]A Review of NBC's 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/oconnell_cg.html]Review: Science of Today and the Problems of Genesis[/url]
[url=http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/imageofgod.html]Review: The Image of God[/url]

EB6: [b]Videos[/b]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8]6 -- Natural Selection Made Easy[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4]7 -- The Theory of Evolution Made Easy[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb6Z6NVmLt8]Ring species -- the abridged version[/url]
[url=http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/evolution/lectures.html]Lectures on Evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4OdrITkqY]Richard Dawkins tackles the Bombardier Beetle[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMZizVHCaVs]Coelacanth: The Strawman Creationist Argument[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw]How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPXURdaPMZY]The truth about the Discovery Institute[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbGDJknak9c]Quest for Truth: Transitional Species[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKPrBV_PCKs]Beating Astronomical Odds[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgpSrUWQplE]Dinosaur blood and polystrate trees debunked[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atqjX5O-LQA]Evolutionary Predictions[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LybFLM1E8mY]AP Biology 1.D: Abiogenesis[/url]
EB6a: By DonExodus2 (Lets Test Them, Proof of Evolution, How Evolution Works)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c]Lets Test Them: Evolution vs. Creationism[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0]Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CvX_mD5weM]Proof of Evolution - Part 2 (Summation)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbI2diGTJFw]Proof of Evolution - Part 3 (Atavisms and Fossils- censored)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpNeGuuuvTY]How Evolution Works- Introduction (Part I)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtIQvkQWTZY]How Evolution Works- Forces (Part 2)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ17JKIBSS4]How Evolution Works Part 3- DNA[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFvK77Fsz8]How Evolution Works Part 4- Mutations[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0tmb3Evhc]How Evolution Works Part 5- Natural Selection[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLtBLucfIrg]How Evolution Works 6- The Constraints of Evolution[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGQu3cm3CE]How Evolution Works 7: Speciation[/url]
EB6b: By cdk007 (Evidence for Evolution, Blind Watchmaker, Evolution of, How Evolution Causes an Increase, The Origin of, Must DENY)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX_WH1bq5HQ]Evidence for Evolution, Part I[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA_UFImmulY]Evidence for Evolution, Part II[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUxLR9hdorI]Evidence for Evolution, Part III[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0]Evolution IS a Blind Watchmaker[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdwTwNPyR9w]The Evolution of the Flagellum[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUvLR2yyWuE]Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I14KTshLUkg]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part I[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9u50wKDb_4]How Evolution Causes an Increase in Information, Part II[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg]The Origin of Life - Abiogenesis - Dr. Jack Szostak[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nj587d5ies]What Every Creationist Must DENY[/url]
EB6c: By C0nc0rdance (Rebutting Brad Harrub)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCP0SimA-vA]Rebutting Harrub: Evolution is just a Theory[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHmqZ9SkJI]Rebutting Harrub: Argument from Historical Scientists[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-EqTOD5r4]Rebutting Harrub: Finches never produce rhinos or ferns[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s32JxSasThk]Rebutting Brad Harrub: Kettlewell's Peppered Moths[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHyvryycc6o]Rebutting Brad Harrub: Darwin was a racist[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaiPcZRqWms]Rebutting Brad Harrub: Haeckel's Embryo Fraud[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZJHBX7qUyo]Rebutting Brad Harrub: Mutations produce nothing new[/url]
EB6d: 15 Questions for Evolutionists they cannot adequately answer (Answered)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyYlzUfMAPw]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 1 - Abiogenesis and the origins of DNA)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo2fgRL4dfs]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 2 - On Intelligent Design)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S_aDHGRSyk]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 3 - Multicellularity, Sex and Fossils)[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rT5K1yFmy4]Answering the 15 Questions Pamphlet (Part 4 - Science, Application and Education)[/url]
EB6e: By Best0fScience (Evolution Is Real Science, Facts Of Evolution, Mechanisms Of Evolution)
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R8w_QEvEU]Does The Evidence Support Evolution?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF2N2lbb3dk]Vitamin C And Common Ancestry[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIsWZCSMSSs]Human Evolution: Are We Descended From Viruses?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWVoXZPOCGk]Does The Fossil Record Support Evolution?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfTbrHg8KGQ]Evolution: Where Are The Transitional Forms?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0UGpcea8Zg]Facts Of Evolution: Universal Common Descent[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mtr3Cum74A]Facts Of Evolution: Good Design, Bad Design[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5kumHLiK4A]Facts Of Evolution: Speciation And Extinction[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XgeSi1EGkU]Facts Of Evolution: How Fast Is Evolution?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAZmLYWEPGk]Facts Of Evolution: What Can Embryos Tell Us About Evolution?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvJFI3ChOUU]Facts Of Evolution: The Molecules Of Life[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7BE3mEb64]Molecular Evolution: Genes And Proteins[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZvTmgCk1Lo]Facts Of Evolution: Retroviruses And Pseudogenes[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mPCqYxB4d4]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Arise?[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcvWnsiQycc]Mechanisms Of Evolution: How Does Variety Give Rise To New Species?[/url]
EB6f: By Stated Clearly (What is Evolution?, What is Natural Selection?, Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?, Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?, What is the Evidence for Evolution?)
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHOjC4oxh8]What is Evolution?[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SCjhI86grU]What is Natural Selection?[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQLyqWaCbA]Can Science Explain the Origin of Life?[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqepQGOYKZ0]Does the Theory of Evolution Really Matter?[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg]What is the Evidence for Evolution?[/url]

Sunday, 18 January 2015

Mutations as a Loss of information

A common argument of creationists is that mutations only cause loss in information, not progression, not advancement of a species, not additions to the code. Firstly genes are only information in the way we determine them as information, we apply the information. So we have to forgive how wrong this statement is. Genes are information the same way a stream is information, we assign the name to the stream, we put it on maps, we give it information. Genes are simply used in biological processes as a way to build proteins.

Evolution is small mutations selected for or against by natural selection. A vast majority of these mutations are neutral providing no immediate benefit, though they may build through successive generations to provide a benefit at a later stage (see salmonella's digestion of citric acid). Some of these mutations will be on the negative scale (from bad to terrible) some so bad the fetus may miscarry (around 50% of human pregnancy ends in miscarriage), others may infer an advantage in specific environments, eg colour blindness can assist in spotting camouflaged predators. Then again some maybe even slightly advantageous,  taller, faster, smarter etc. Lets think about knowledge.

Sometimes knowledge will come about due to incorrect information, this knowledge may persist for a time, it may never be tested and thus a group will hold it true even though it may not be, eg Iraq and it's supposed WMD's, thalidomide, everyone else's religious beliefs but your own. This incorrect knowledge could also use some assumption and be developed over time till it is discarded, eg the aether theory of space. Sometimes correct knowledge will come about completely by chance, increasing the knowledge of humanity via a fluke, such as the supposed discovery of penicillin, tyre rubber etc. Sometimes correct and thus valuable knowledge will develop over time based on many generations of work that has come before, Newton's famous word "I have seen so far as a I stood on a the shoulders of giants". Regardless of how the knowledge is found or whether it is any good, it adds to the vast sum of human knowledge. Obviously here I am comparing knowledge to DNA and life, it can take a long path of small iterative changes and flukes, but it can still add to the totality of diversity, it can to use the creationists phrase “add information” in that new knowledge is discovered by fluke or by iterative process. Saying knowledge can’t form this way as you don’t know where it came from is the same argument also used. But knowledge and evolution do exist even if we are not sure how they started, though we have some ideas, we may never know.

Like life, knowledge likely started in a very different form, with very different conditions than what we have today. It wasn’t humans that likely started knowledge, there is evidence that neanderthals had tool use (even modern chimps and Bonobos, even some birds show tool use), painted stories (there are elephants and birds that have shown this talent) and the use of fire (which lots of animals use to their benefit), there may have even been a rudimentary language that would have allowed the passage of ideas and thus a kind of natural selection on these ideas, with ideas that were important enough being iterated and reiterated through a young creatures upbringing.

Knowledge shows direct parallels with life, other people have noticed this before with the introduction of memetic theory and the very word meme. But I think this analogy goes the other way, and also points to the origin of knowledge as a parallel to the origin of life. Some may claim that knowledge requires a mind, yes it does, even a rudimentary avian one. Life it would seem does not, life only requires a drive to replicate, something even the most simple single celled bacteria or proto-celled virus strives to do.

Some interesting things this brings up. Knowledge can develop similarly independently eg the idea itself of evolution driven by natural selection was developed a few times independently, akin to the eye and the many times it has evolved independently or the awesomeness that are slaters (Woodlice for the non-Australians), there is a case of very well defined convergent evolution, where two different animals evolved to look the same and live in the same environment, one the Woodlouse that is a crustacean, and one the pill millipede that is related to millipedes.

An idea can also develop once only, like gunpowder use (China), or the idea of having 0 or less (India), and then these ideas get spread around and were appropriated, akin to the eye again or bipedalism, although evolution can’t really take another creatures advantage and make it, its own. An idea can also develop once only (at least a further development) that then gets lost for ever, eg; Greek Fire, or Aztecs and their masonry, akin to the billions of creatures that have gone extinct in the history of earth.

So even if we grant DNA as information, information can change by accident, information can have an origin if we think about it, and information can be independent of an advanced mind. Information is different to DNA, DNA is just chemistry and demanding it needs a mind to contain it, is the same as demanding a twisting river demands a mind to explain its twists and turns, it obeys understood rules of fluid dynamics and flow, similarly DNA obeys rules of biological chemistry. If you claim these rules had to be given by a rule giver then you are simply shifting the burden and playing a God of the gaps, eventually the gap will be closed and you will have to retreat or simply deny the discovery.

Beyond all this babble, we have some interesting proof that a single mutation can make a big change, even with a "loss of information", in humans of all species; http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/bill-nye-creationism-evolution

Thursday, 3 April 2014

Ray Comfort

If you don't know who Ray is, I will spare you a link to his videos. But he is known colloquially as Bananaman, and here is the humorous video that was done when he won the 2009 Crockoduck award, really I'd rather give traffic to the excellent Potholer54 than living waters, or whatever Money making scheme Ray has dreamt up.

So Ray, has a line he uses a lot in his videos and "debates", I say debates as he doesn't really debate, just soapboxes and proselytises, he is good "fun". You would think he is a comedy act if you didn't know it was for real.
Anyway here is his general line of argument, with Ray in bold, and the unwitting respondent following on.

Have you ever said a lie? Yes.
have you ever stolen anything
? Yes.
Have you ever taken the lords name in vain?
Yes
Have you ever looked at a woman/man with lust? Yes
So, Jesus says if you look at a woman with lust, then you have committed adultery in your heart.
By your own omission you are a Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterers at heart. If God judges you by the standards of the ten commandments where are you going, heaven or hell? Hell/Don't think God would send his loving children to hell (followed by then you think Hitler is in heaven*)
How are you going to escape the damnation of hell? Don't know 
Because you know the bible says the wages of sin is death. But there is a way out, God gave his only son for your sin, so you have to accept Jesus into your life and confess your sin, then you can have everlasting life.

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I am always surprised that this gives people even the supposed Atheists on his videos a moment where they seem to pause and reflect on it, almost deciding well hey I may as well believe just in case hey... or the old "I have to get right with my faith" line. It is Pascals wager, badly disguised in a long form to baffle people.

I have written the below to counter it;

Have you ever stolen from someone you are not at war with? Yes
Have you ever been a coward? Yes
Have you ever Betrayed anyone? Yes

Then by your own omission you are a thieving, cowardly, betrayer. And by those standards, Woden would send you to Heck to be tormented. So where do you think you are going? (don't wait for an answer, think what would Ray do... beyond creative editing aka lying)
But there is hope, if you trust in Thor who petitioned Woden on man kinds behalf, if you fight with bravery and honour, and die in a battle while upholding these standards then you will not enter Heck, the Valkyries will rescue you to Valhalla to drink mead with Woden for all eternity.

Obviously few believe this now, and even if they do I see very few Nordes marching off to a Just war (is there any such thing now-a-days?). It is a perfect refutation of Ray's dumbed down Pascals wager, but he will never hear it, or respond with... "oh but how many people actually believe in Woden or Thor", an Argument ad Populum, a logical fallacy, Woden and Thor are just as likely to be True (if not a little more so as their claim is less than omnipotence) than Yahweh and Jesus.

*The counter to is Hitler in heaven is an easy one... How many people did Hitler kill, in the order of tens of millions right, do you think even killing tens of millions deserves an eternal torment and torture... if so then you are lacking in empathy as I doubt any person could sentence even the worst person to an unjust amount of torture for their crimes, let the crime fit the punishment, eternal can never fit a crime carried out in a limited time such as a human lifetime.

This was just a quick post, I am working on a couple big ones at the moment, a takedown of the some (hehe) Catholic apologetics, and a skeptics annotated catechism, and a full on book (I have written way to much and self-editing is hard)... So yeah posts may be a little sporadic.

Saturday, 15 February 2014

Rebuttal to reasons atheism is stupid

Sometimes I read an article and get incensed enough I have to write a reply, the below did that for me, don't worry they are the same arguments you have heard for years; http://thereforegodexists.com/2013/11/5-reasons-atheism-stupid-2/

Lets start with the opening, yes the bible says the fool has said in his heart there is no God... it also said; "anyone who claims another is a fool is in danger of hell fire" Matthew 5:22. So I guess that writer of Psalms and this writer are going to hell if it exists.
I shouldn't need to point out that an insult is the lowest form of attack, a simple ad hominem attack, with no merit. I agree that ideas need to be challenged and they can be insulted, but if you ever complain about someone calling your beliefs stupid then you have no right to put that label on someone Else's lack of belief... even if your beliefs include a talking snake, a talking donkey or a being who sent them self to earth to atone for their creations sin that offended itself, to appease itself so it wouldn't send its creation to a hell it created or allowed to be created... If we are going to go on stupid, surely buying the story of a virgin birth is stupid, surely buying the water into wine, walking on water, and the posthumous empty promise of punishment or reward is right up there with the stupidest things mankind has ever believed. But I digress, lets get into it.

1 - The existence of the universe.

Yes the universe exists, wow that must be proof of God... uh no, it would clearly be better evidence for the existence of God if we humans existed in a space that was not a universe, say a floating realm where all our need where met...

The analogy here with the ball is silly, we have explanations for how balls come into existence from existing matter, as do we for planets, stars, galaxies and the entire visible universe, they are all natural explanations. Sure the explanation for the initial conditions the singularity are not yet known, but it is more honest to start with "I don't know" and search for an answer than to start with "Magic pixies started the universe off" and then only look at things that confirm your assumption.

Therefore God is as likely to exist as universe creating pixies.

2 - The Big bang.

The universe contracting back and forth forever isn't quite settled, some evidence is pointing to that it may in fact be part of a multiverse. Regardless if all of this fails to bring sufficient evidence, you can't say "I don't know"..."therefore God", as this will put your God in the ever receding pocket of ignorance that its forebears occupied, ignorance such as Thor being responsible for lightning (sorry Thor, you are totally the reason for lightning), a giant wolf eating the sun during eclipses, and the earth being held aloft by a giant tree.

Atheists I know are happy with whichever way the evidence points, atheists like Bill Nye and Matt Dillahunty have both said all it would take to convince them that their position on God/s is wrong is evidence, theists like Ken Ham just said nothing could convince him his position is wrong, which is more intellectually honest.

So again to take your argument and give it undue merit, lets say the universe had a definite beginning 13.8billion years ago, not the 6-10,000 that creationists argue, not the length of time humans have been around as a literal interpretation of the bible suggests, but 13.8billion years ago. OK, so what, it doesn't have to have a supernatural cause, everything so far observed has had a natural cause why should this be any different. There are plenty of possible causes from quantum mechanics to the bounce theory of universe inflation deflation, all of them infinitely more likely than a timeless, spaceless pixie... sorry God.

Therefore God is as likely to exist as universe creating pixies, which are both a lot less likely than natural causes we have observed.
3 - The design of the universe.

There is a bit of an argument to authority here, just because one previously atheist cosmologist now believes in God, doesn’t mean there is any evidence in modern physics or cosmology to point to God. In fact to counter your argument to authority with an argument ad populum (argument to numbers), 70% of the USA’s national institute of science, doesn’t believe in a personal God, Hawking has said God is un-needed and Victor Stenger has written a very good book debunking these cosmological constants need to be just perfect for life to exist. The truth is we just don’t know, life could actually be more likely in a universe with different constants, or it could be worse, we don’t have another universe accessible to us with these different constants in place in which to test your hypothesis that life is only viable in universe with constants with these particular values.

No one is suggesting that life came about by chance, no biologist or physicist I have ever spoken to is that naïve. Natural selection seems to be a driving force for biological life. The constants being the way they are may not be chance, they may not be able to be any different. There is a principle called the anthropic principal, which basically states that the universe is capable of supporting life because we are here to observe it, eg I have seen these arguments before, because I tend to read websites with these arguments. It would be more amazing and confounding if we existed in world incapable of supporting life, or if everywhere was capable I mean the 99.999% of the universe that is extremely hostile to us the vacuum of space, the radiation… if all that was not there and the entire universe was habitable then your argument would hold more water, at present it is weak.

My favourite quote on this is from Douglas Adams;

“Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, "This is an interesting world I find myself in -  an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.”

The universe doesn’t appear at all designed for us, surely if it were designed for us the entirety of space would contain breathable air, no deadly radiation. It is as likely for a God to exist that created the universe like this as it is for a tornado to whip through a scrap yard and build a 1979 Valiant charger.

4 – The design of mankind.

We don’t know what the first life was, just like a lot of first things they aren’t around anymore. The other issues is microscopic weak early cells don’t fossilise or leave much of a trace. Darwin was likely right, the first life was likely simple, probably not even DNA at all, but RNA like viruses that contain half the information that DNA does. I am no biologist, but they are currently looking at non-biological replication, such as rusts and the like that are leading us to some interesting conclusions. Again why does life have to start with a supernatural cause, when every other thing we have witnessed gets started with a natural cause.

Yes Dawkins is right a single DNA molecule has a lot of information, but he didn’t suggest that just popped into existence one day, that is the theists claim. He proposes as do a whole swath of scientists investigating abiogenesis that life took millennia to form even the simplest of single celled bacteria. DNA is not data, or code or a message. It is just chemistry writ large, it only has a code that we have assigned to it, a message due to the way we or amino acids interpret it. Therefore DNA didn’t require a mind, just as chemistry doesn’t, therefore God doesn’t need to exists.

5 – The resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

Which historians have come to a consensus that Jesus even existed. A consensus means all the historians agree, this is simply false; there are plenty as listed below;

These all have their own cases, the Nazareth bit of the name is supposedly a town, that didn’t exist till well after Jesus’ death, the time line in the gospels is wrong, the story inconsistent between the gospels, as well as known forgeries and additions, look up “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” for some fun, a section that there is almost consensus on it being a forgery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

Saying that the willingness to die for ones beliefs validates them is also wrong, the suicide bombers the world over are willing to die for their beliefs, the Romans fought and died for their Gods as did the Greeks, Egyptians and others.

Again an argument to authority here, a historian can’t explain the rise of the popularity of Christianity unless Jesus rose from the dead… I can’t explain the rise in the popularity and wealth of the Mormon church unless Joseph Smith did get those golden plates and speak to the angel Moroni, I can’t explain the rise of Islam so quickly across the middle east unless Mohammed did speak to the angel Gabriel. These are erroneous arguments, the popularity of an idea even the quick rise in popularity does not lend any credence to the claim.

Not all of the previously mentioned claims of religions can be true, but they can all be wrong.

The best idea is to way the existing evidence for a claim with the logical possibilities or impossibilities of that claim, say if I claim I have a mobile phone. It is not that impossible a claim so you may accept it out of hand, say I am God and you can see the logical impossibilities in this statement (why do I bother working, why aren't I killing the first born of Egypt etc), and you can also weigh this with the fact I have given no evidence of my God-like abilities and you can dismiss my claim. This is all that an atheist does with religions.

Wednesday, 5 June 2013

Post debate misses

Post debate misses, I missed rebutting a few of the oppositions one liners, I doubt they will ever read this, but it is more for my sanity, I can't leave something unanswered.

Definition of faith

Definition 2 "belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact." If this is not what you believe your Faith is, then don't use the word. I don't use the word as I don't have faith in science or anything in life, I have evidence based beliefs, and if it is pointed out I don't I will re-evaluate.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faith

Virtual particles

Yes virtual particles exist in vacuums and inside atoms, virtual photons carry the electromagnetic force between the nucleus and the electron cloud keeping them in orbit. So it was disengenuos for Sven to say that Virtual particles have a cause and the cause is a vacuum, they have no cause, but yes they exist within our universe and space time.
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/documents/PUS/dis/virtual_photon.htm
In fact virtual particles if anything put a hole in creationism as they reveal how much we know about Quantum mechanics and thus radiometric dating is a pretty assured science.

Universe had a beginning

Again, we don't know this. I think I said that in my talk, yet you didn't address it. It may not have "begun" in a true sense of the word, a new phase may have begun with the expansion from a singularity we call the big bang, again there is a lot of evidence for this event. The COBE satellite, WMAP satellite and the European space agencies recent Planck Satellite, as well as polar launched high altitude balloons and the sky surveys that have revealed the retreat of almost all extra-galactic objects at a rate that means the further something is away the faster it is moving. Again claiming this beginning of the universe damages your own case as it shows an old universe (13.82 billion years old), not a literal 6 day creation 6-10,000 years ago.
http://lambda.gsfc.nasa.gov/product/cobe/
http://science1.nasa.gov/missions/wmap/
http://www.esa.int/For_Media/Press_Releases/Planck_reveals_an_almost_perfect_Universe
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/21/age_of_the_universe_planck_results_show_universe_is_13_82_billion_years.html

a/Sexual reproduction

Interestingly we don’t know how sexual reproduction started exactly, it likely conveyed an advantage against parasites and for survival so it was selected for, meaning passed on. Again this probably originated early on in life’s development, as some forms of bacteria don’t procreate asexually, some procreate with DNA from another party, some are not just binary male and female, but multi-sexed, having up to 7 different sexes. But larger than bacteria, we are pretty much limited to the binary male and female. Though some switch such as certain fish and amphibians and for example the whip tail lizard and some lie along the gender path such as humans who can be born with both male and female genitalia, although a lot of these are non-functional there have been instances of functioning intersex humans. Mark Harwood, seemed to argue the irreducible complexity line here along genitalia, I would have liked to have shot back with how he obviously knows very little about genitalia in animals including humans. Some mammals and humans are born with both, some other species don't have the usual mammalian kit, reptiles and most birds externally look the same as mammal females, with their cloaca, the aforementioned 7-sex bacteria have hairs on their cell walls that simply intermingle, or look at the Bdelloid rotifers that don't have sex but to increase their gene pool by simply stealing DNA from other bacteria.
http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB350.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110707141158.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071011142633.htm

Human fallibility

This one was a real stretch by the opposition. Humans aren't fallible was their basic claim, we have evolved to be infallible. I think not guys, you do realise that people lie, get lied to and believe it, get conned, sometimes to the point of death of them or others, to say that we are not fallible is either not knowing the human condition or trying to exploit the viewers fallibility by being being blatantly dishonest.
Humans are so fallible that is only by shared experience and by repeatable evidence we can know anything, this is how science came about as a reliable way to remove biases and enforce repeatability and remove any errors caused by our fallibility.
This is actually one of my areas of study, social engineering it is called, being able to talk and convince your way into a company, and it is done with surprising ease in most situations where people should know better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Romand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_%28security%29

There are likely going to be more of these posts to come as I review the footage and any furphies my opponents spouted.